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zuccolilo New Member Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Total posts: 21 Gender: Unknown 265.22 Points
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: My Trainer doesn't like ankle braces |
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The trainer at my school doesn't want the kids to wear ankle braces unless they do basic ankle rehab for 15 minutes/day. She maintains that it teaches the ankle stablizing muscles to not stabilize b/c they learn to rely on the brace.
What are some good arguments that would refute this? Anatomy or volleyball-wise?
Thanks. |
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himespau Moderator
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| I think you'll find a lot of people who agree with your trainer on this site. Unless you have a history of weakness (and are willing to do the work in to strengthen you ankles after practice) it might not be the best idea to be using them (unless, of course, your school's insurance requires it). |
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jludman Member Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Total posts: 435 Location: New Hampshire Age: 36 Gender: Male 3304.44 Points
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| I think your trainer is spot on. |
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zuccolilo New Member Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Total posts: 21 Gender: Unknown 265.22 Points
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Good to hear. It makes me sketchy when she tells me this - and i look at several teams whose entire front row seems to be wearing them.
Wasn't sure if ankle braces were pro-active or reactive equipment. |
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Birdman Member Joined: 01 May 2008 Total posts: 374 Age: 21 Gender: Male 4362.95 Points
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with your trainer 100%. |
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vballtitan Senior Member
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vballtitan Senior Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with your trainer, as long as you have healthy ankkles, and are playing with and against players who can control themselves at the net. Otherwise, I would say ankle braces are a low cost way of avoiding long term damage. There are many styles of braces out there that do not affect the ankle strength or proprioception, and therefore are valid choices. It is not like wearing braces is something to do 24 hours a day... |
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briclark1 Member Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Total posts: 117 Location: Utah Age: 39 Gender: Male 1629.19 Points
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I agree with strengthening your ankles. I would never recommend an ankle brace over strengthening. But to say that you should not wear one means you have never rolled an ankle badly, at least in my opinion. I never wore an ankle brace until I tore ligaments and had to wear a boot for 4 weeks and could not take business trips for 3 months. It took 5 months time plus physical therapy to get back on the court. I now wear one on both ankles and it keeps ankle rolls from becoming bad. In my uneducated opinion, I don't think there is a level of strengthening to prevent an injury from landing on the side of a foot. I have seen it happen in the NBA, NCAA men's vball and international vball. I would guess that they have strong ankles. I think it depends on what you are willing to lose. At almost 39, I can't take 6 months off from playing ball and I cannot expect my job to understand a second time. Just my opinion. |
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himespau Moderator
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I've found that being really sensitive to what's under my feet and just collapsing when I feel anything other than floor under there has cut my ankle rolls down to almost nothing, but that can't work 100% of the time. I wonder if the decision is impacted by what stage of life you are in. If your musculature is still developing, if it's more important to let it do that naturally than when you're fully grown. Or I could just be talking out of my butt again... |
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Birdman Member Joined: 01 May 2008 Total posts: 374 Age: 21 Gender: Male 4362.95 Points
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Braces don't solve all the problems. I've seen guys blow their knees out because the force was transferred to their knees. I've seen braces break and the ankle roll anyways. If you strengthen your ankles and wear a brace, I buy it. If you don't strengthen your ankles and rely on a brace, I'm not sure you're that much safer. |
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briclark1 Member Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Total posts: 117 Location: Utah Age: 39 Gender: Male 1629.19 Points
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I completely agree. I wear mine for prevention. I have played without them but I just cannot take the risk. In my opinion, if you roll your ankle and break your brace, either it was old or you REALLY rolled that sucker over. In any case, I would hope that breaking my brace would take some of the force out of the roll and leave me with less of an injury than with no brace at all. |
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Birdman Member Joined: 01 May 2008 Total posts: 374 Age: 21 Gender: Male 4362.95 Points
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Another thing to consider is the psychological affect of wearing braces. A lot of people (especially young athletes) believe that braces solve all problems, so they think they're invincible. Sometimes this causes recklessness which not only endangers themselves (since braces are not 100%) but also other players who may not be as prepared to repel the forces of an ankle injury. |
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himespau Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Good point. I've heard that argument made a lot in football... |
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james330i Member Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Total posts: 122 Gender: Unknown 1054.72 Points
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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As many times I've rolled my ankle, you think i would be all about it.
However, i realized strengthing it (via sand ball and plyos) and strechting it to be super flexible is the best strategy.
When I do get a rolled ankle, i heal in no time, and since i strech them a lot, they have plenty of give in terms of roll haha _________________ James |
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Murph Member Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Total posts: 209 Location: South Australia Age: 23 Gender: Male 1940.27 Points
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:35 am Post subject: |
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I've never done mine, and never even felt like it was going to go.
One of my players approached me about whether she should buy them. I told her I don't agree wear them or want to wear them, and gave her alternatives that might help (some light strapping techniques, long, stiff socks). After about 3 weeks we spoke again, she felt she needed/wanted the ankle braces and has gone with that option.
She's doing great on them and appreciates the stability.
I'm not convinced that people have an 'invincible' attitude with their ankles, I find the people who use them are OVER cautious with their ankles, rather than under (no basis other than a hunch though). |
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himespau Moderator
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if there are some of each type of player based on their aggressiveness of personality/playing style in general. |
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jludman Member Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Total posts: 435 Location: New Hampshire Age: 36 Gender: Male 3304.44 Points
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure there are some people that wear ankle braces because they are generally very cautious, and so they will also be more careful while playing. There are lots of people who wear ankle braces, because they know their style of play lands them on other people's feet frequently.
I just don't do the dangerous plays anymore, myself. No floating blocks, never jump forward for a joust. Just leave a hole, and lose more jousts, but play the next week for me. Not an option for the serious competitor though, I suppose. |
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himespau Moderator
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| For me, learning to collapse when I sensed anything not flat under my foot made a ton of difference and cut down the rolled ankles to almost nil. Before that I'd been seriously considering getting some braces, but after that, it stopped being an issue. |
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NateH New Member Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Total posts: 13 Gender: Unknown 201.53 Points
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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This came up for me this week when a couple of my club kids showed up with braces. I was worried they were hurt, but it was a just in case or prophylactic brace.
I'm also on the fence as to their value, but this topic is starting to sound a lot like the seat belt arguments of old. I'm starting to slide towards wearing them, but I believe good technique, training, and caution is an equally good preventative measure. From what I've read, they haven't been shown to increase ACL injuries statistically. I now wear a brace occasionally since I rolled mine, and it gets weak (and I don't rehab it enough). A brace may have reduced my injury, but I made a really stupid move--making a good hit from a horrid set with a suicidal jump (had I not collapsed, it would have been very bad).
There are several studies out there on this. A couple of them caught my attention. The first being in the American Journal of Sports Medicine, Vol. 36, No. 2, pg 324-327. They had 43 U-Penn players wear Active Ankles for all games/practices across 7 years, and there was only 1 ankle injury. Correlation is not causation, but after I read that, I bought my daughter a pair of active ankles. I'm not pushing her to wear them yet due to the age and play level, but I will toward the end of this club season, as she starts playing with/against older aggressive kids with less control at the net.
Another interesting study was in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, 2004, vol. 38, pg 182-185. In that study they compared technical training, proprioceptive training, and prophylactic bracing. They found technical training was the best, and the other 2 worked nearly equally. They also noted that bracing didn't help those with a history of multiple (>3) ankle sprains. |
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